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jebifinn:okay so are we going to acknowledge that kylo ren was given a redemption arc without ever..
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jebifinn:
okay so are we going to acknowledge that kylo ren was given a redemption arc without ever really knowing or caring that he was objectively in the wrong? his reasoning for not killing palpatine was literally that he still wanted to have some weird co-dictator relationship with rey. the only reason he helps her is because she said she wanted to “take ben’s hand, not kylo’s” which is a whole other thing but somehow that is supposed to make me believe that the guy who actively murdered entire planets full of people and was complicit in the creation of an army of child soldiers deserves a respectable death in the arms of the trilogy’s heroine? no
Kylo’s redemption is very much like Vader’s. Neither of them are particularly moral or ideological. Neither of them seem to be forced to face the fact that what they’ve been doing is wrong. Both of them turn entirely because otherwise they will lose someone they love.
Kylo is never held to account for escalating the FO’s child kidnapping policy, or any of the other things the FO got up to under his command. But equally, Vader was never held to account for his years of being the Emperor’s enforcer.
I think we’re supposed to believe that them being capable of sacrificial love is enough to make them redeemed.
jebifinn:
okay so are we going to acknowledge that kylo ren was given a redemption arc without ever really knowing or caring that he was objectively in the wrong? his reasoning for not killing palpatine was literally that he still wanted to have some weird co-dictator relationship with rey. the only reason he helps her is because she said she wanted to “take ben’s hand, not kylo’s” which is a whole other thing but somehow that is supposed to make me believe that the guy who actively murdered entire planets full of people and was complicit in the creation of an army of child soldiers deserves a respectable death in the arms of the trilogy’s heroine? no
Kylo’s redemption is very much like Vader’s. Neither of them are particularly moral or ideological. Neither of them seem to be forced to face the fact that what they’ve been doing is wrong. Both of them turn entirely because otherwise they will lose someone they love.
Kylo is never held to account for escalating the FO’s child kidnapping policy, or any of the other things the FO got up to under his command. But equally, Vader was never held to account for his years of being the Emperor’s enforcer.
I think we’re supposed to believe that them being capable of sacrificial love is enough to make them redeemed.