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binary-suunset:

Also of you read the EU, Hux’s father was abusive and Pryde was close with him, so it does make sense that once Pryde became part of the inner circle Hux was like “yanno what, fuck this”

oceanic-panic-panic:

And some sw encyclopedia still calls Hux a coward for doing that and not for kyle ron hallucinating his redemption arc???

anentirestarwar:

This meta was too on-point to leave in the notes.

twink-hux:

Hux didn’t even have the motivation of familial love and he wasn’t chasing after a girl like he just completely hated Ren That Much And was actually disillusioned with what the First Order was in Palpatine’s schemes. Like he would’ve been a war criminal when the Resistance won, there wasn’t any relatives or romantic interests that would be fighting for him

twink-hux:

Like BROOooooo Hux isn’t a good person but he still literally took a bullet allowing Finn and Poe to escape and gave them info about Palpatine that helped them to win the war like literally what did Kylo even DOOOO how was Hux’s sloppily executed Resistance spy arc a better quasi redemption arc than Kylo Ren who’s been pushed and pulled back to the light so often that it’s been a major plot point for THREE FUCKING FILMs
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jebifinn:

okay so are we going to acknowledge that kylo ren was given a redemption arc without ever really knowing or caring that he was objectively in the wrong? his reasoning for not killing palpatine was literally that he still wanted to have some weird co-dictator relationship with rey. the only reason he helps her is because she said she wanted to “take ben’s hand, not kylo’s” which is a whole other thing but somehow that is supposed to make me believe that the guy who actively murdered entire planets full of people and was complicit in the creation of an army of child soldiers deserves a respectable death in the arms of the trilogy’s heroine? no

Kylo’s redemption is very much like Vader’s. Neither of them are particularly moral or ideological. Neither of them seem to be forced to face the fact that what they’ve been doing is wrong. Both of them turn entirely because otherwise they will lose someone they love.

Kylo is never held to account for escalating the FO’s child kidnapping policy, or any of the other things the FO got up to under his command. But equally, Vader was never held to account for his years of being the Emperor’s enforcer.

I think we’re supposed to believe that them being capable of sacrificial love is enough to make them redeemed.
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A lot of Kylo Ren stans are getting excited and claiming that he’s being set up for a redemption arc, but not only do I not see it at this point, it would be insanely cheap unless Rise of Skywalker is somehow able to convince me that he has earned it.

The entirety of the last two movies have been a demonstration that he is beyond redemption and does not want it. He idolizes his grandfather and has crossed the line that Vader himself couldn’t, which was (willfully and intentionally) harming his own flesh and blood (I don’t count Padme, since his intention was never to kill her and it wasn’t quite the force choke itself that killed her). Then in The Last Jedi, Rey learns that the whole time she thought she could turn him, he was trying to do the same to her. He becomes the Supreme Leader and tries desperately to slaughter his uncle and the rest of the Resistance.

He’s an arrogant and childish bully who is only concerned with strength, and rather than end the cycle of manipulation and oppression he experienced under Snoke after killing him he is perpetuating it. I don’t think this makes him an altogether unlikable or indefensible character–as a villain I honestly find him fascinating. However, he has proven in the last two movies that he does not deserve redemption, nor does he want it, and Rise of Skywalker will have to work really hard if it is actually trying to convince me that he can achieve it.

It is getting very late in the day to establish a convincing redemption arc that doesn’t involve a heroic sacrifice in which he heel turns to save Rey from Palpatine. OTOH, a heroic sacrifice when he heel turns to save Rey from Palpatine might end with him losing a hand and surviving… only for him to work out a proper redemption arc in the next trilogy.

After all, I can’t see Disney actually ending a cash cow like this.

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