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Ok, so Brie Larson says she thinks an all female Avengers movie would be cool (A Force!) And all these dudes loooooosing their mind. “What about an all MALE Avengers film?” Uh….the first Avengers films you mean. I get that Black Widow was in it, so I’ll compromise. We’ll have Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, She Hulk, Wasp, Photon, and Storm…..and Hawkeye.
An all female team? So what, they are just gonna fight each other?
Never read A Force, huh?
Isn’t it funny how propaganda for decades has “taught” people that women will naturally fight with each other when in fact men are the violence class and in every mammalian species but hyenas, where the females are soaked in testosterone, males are more likely to fight each other than females are.
It’s not that women don’t fight each other – they do, but not nearly to the same extent that men do, so if you can imagine an all-male superhero team that doesn’t spend all its time in internal fighting, it should be easier to envision an all-female superhero team doing the same thing.
Jesus leave it to tumblr to take that literally. Let me break it down. Men physically fight because we are built and socially guided into roles that suit that. Women judge and compete to destroy each other on a scale so high that I’ve never worked a job where the women I worked with weren’t actively trying to get each other fired. You just don’t see a lot of all female teams anywhere. Definitely no ship crews/sanitation or construction. Women aren’t defending nations or building them. Blame whatever excuse you want, but there are teams of men everywhere on every part of the planet working together. Why can’t women organize on that scale?
Women have been organizing on that scale since the dawn of time. PTA, quilting bees, pretty much all communal work done in a farming community that pertains to either textiles or food preparation, the gathering part of hunter-gathering.
If you’re a man, you don’t get involved in all-female teams and you probably aren’t even aware they are happening. The work women do is consistently devalued by men in every society that anthropologists or sociologists have studied, to the point where the Russians devalue medicine because most of the doctors are women.
Most of the professions you mention women not being part of are because women were explicitly excluded, and since we moved away from being primarily agrarian in small farming towns to mostly working outside the home for large corporations, a lot of the work women used to do communally is now either done by one woman at a time, or a married couple, or it’s done by a corporation that wants you to pay for it (such as the making of clothing). So yeah, there is a lot less evidence in today’s society of large groups of women working together, because the all-male teams you refer to were always about working together outside the home, and the all-female teams were generally about working together to make everyone’s homes better, and the trend has been to isolate people into individual nuclear families so that we have to buy services from companies that in the past groups of women would have performed for the households of all the women involved, but which are way too much work for one or two people and especially if they work outside the home too.
BTW, higher male aggression toward males is actually one of the only biological differences between the sexes, as opposed to cultural – it appears in almost every human society and in almost all mammals and throughout history. It’s true that our culture trains men to make this problem significantly worse rather than trying to fight this tendency, but this is one of very few differences between the sexes that is genuinely rooted in biology (which doesn’t mean it’s universally true of all women or all men; there are many gentle, pacifistic men and many aggressive, violent women, but statistically, human men are biologically more inclined to be violent and especially toward other men. 80% of all murder victims in the US and 90% of all murderers are men.)
If you’ve been in a lot of environments where women backstabbed each other a lot, my guess is those environments were highly competitive and very sexist, so that very few women could get ahead. It’s a lot easier for a woman to get status by backstabbing a woman than by backstabbing a man; what you end up with is a large number of women competing for a small number of high-status slots that might be open to women, with men taking all the other high-status slots. I’ve been in the working world for over 30 years as a woman and I’ve never worked anywhere that this kind of thing happened; also, all of my bosses have been women since I was in my early 20′s and all of them were supportive of my career ambitions and helped me to grow in my field, and in all of them I had a lot of female co-workers that worked well together, too.
(And women aren’t involved in “building nations”? Really? What kind of work do you think goes into building nations? Do you think it doesn’t involve education, medicine, farming and food preparation, all of which are worldwide majority female domains?)
Personally, I’ve seen both situations described above.
I’ve had a couple mentors who were women who I love and deeply respect, I’m friends with a great group of gals and we support and love each other.
But, definitely in high school, other women treated me like crap. Even now I find female society to be difficult to navigate.
I tend to be confrontational when I disagree with someone, which upsets many women. So much goes unsaid, I am no good at reading subtlety, and I get into trouble (again). It’s exhausting, and its a situation one doesn’t have to worry about as much when dealing with men - who are more likely to confront you with a snide or aggressive comment if they think you’ve overstepped your boundaries.
BUT, I think this more about socialization than it is “women are natural backstabbers”.
(White middle to upperclass american) women are raised to avoid conflict, to avoid direct conflict at any cost. Which is nice, I guess, but it means that the only way left to handle natural aggressive or controlling tendencies, or to handle conflict, is by subterfuge and backstabbing.
You see extremely similar behavior in upperclass white men, particularly in academia…..
Once again, open aggression or conflict is deemed “not appropriate” for that particular class of men. And, as with women socialized in that manner, you see similar backstabbing and pettiness. Also…. once again I find it extremely difficult to deal with that society, although its made slightly easier by a higher acceptance of idiosyncrasies and a greater reliance - at least in science - on pure skill and qualifications and an acceptance of conflict.
I think that just denying that such conduct among women occurs (it does) or just occurs in highly competitive environments (it doesn’t), is denial. But not recognizing that such conduct is part of the way men and women (in white american middle to upper class society) are socialized, and generalizing that to all women as a biological category is also false.
Also, despite the backstabbing and pettiness, women most often enable most offices to actually run through organizing and performing all of the “background work” that the men find it beneath them to do.
Basically, if society could cease with the expectation of aggressive behavior in men, and allow for it a little more in women, I think we’d all be a lot happier and would realize that we all tend to aggressive self centered idiots to some degree.
All of this, but also to get to the original point: an all-female team would be amazing, the A-Force comics have been great, that shot of all MCU women banding around Carol gave me strength and made me think of A-Force immediately.
Do it, Marvel. Make it so.