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forwantofwit:
kyraneko:
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chiruttimwes:
ohfuckthisshit:
still can’t believe that someone would write Padme dying from “loosing her will to live” after just having two beautiful babies and meanwhile that burned circus peanut has enough will to survive 100% burning and tripple amputation. only a man could write that bullshit.
NO NO NO THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. GEORGE LUCAS MAY BE DUMB SOMETIMES BUT HES ALSO CLEVER. JUST LISTEN.
What scene is shown simultaneously with Padme giving birth? Anakin being put into the suit. And going by this, Padme dies at practically the same moment Anakin’s transformation is complete. And here’s why that’s significant: Palpatine’s master was said to have been working on (never says if he figured it out) a way to lengthen life/bring someone back. By using the Force, the very thing that flows in everyone. Therefore, it is safe to assume that Palpatine either finished what his master started or just learned the knowledge. Palpatine literally drained Padme’s lifeforce and gave it to Anakin. There is literally no way he would’ve survived otherwise. And there’s definitely no way Padme would’ve just keeled over. No. Palpatine was the reason she died and the reason Anakin didn’t. It also explains why the droids couldn’t find anything wrong with her. They can’t sense the Force.
And in case you need further proof: When Anakin comes to, he immediately and expectantly asks where Padme is because he felt her presence. And Palpatine responds that “it would seem that in your rage, you killed her.” Now why would he say that, when we all know full well that Anakin left her alive and well?? It’s because in a way, Anakin was the reason for her death. This also explains why Palpatine looks so utterly gleeful in this scene. Because he knows that a) he’s got a new puppet of course, but b) he just gave Anakin his final, fatal push to the Dark Side. Had Padme been left alive, Anakin never would’ve truly succumbed to the Dark. And even if they were to lie and say she died, chances are Anakin would’ve felt that she was alive, somehow. No, Padme had to die. And by killing her this way, it kept Anakin alive, and gave Palpatine a legitimate excuse to tell Anakin that he himself was the one who killed her. That alone was the only way Anakin was going to completely relinquish the Light: if he believed that in his attempts to use the Dark to save his wife he had instead killed her, he would believe he was too far gone, that there was nothing left for him but this dark path he had set himself on. (This is further proved by what he says to Luke in VI, and by how simply finding out he had children, something to actually live for, was enough to make him come back to the Light.)
So, in short: No, Padme did not give up the will to live, and no, it wasn’t written that way either. Unfortunately, George Lucas was always a bit too subtle with his cleverness and it often went unnoticed. But it was there, and it’s quite genius.
My damn mind has been blown. Thank you 🤯
Didn’t Palpatine say Plagueis shared the secret with the apprentice and the apprentice killed him? As in, why it’s “the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise” rather than the comedy, epic, or four-season sitcom?
Plagueis knew, Plagueis shared with his apprentice, Plagueis was killed. The apprentice (Sidious!) took what he’d learned and used it, first dangling it as bait, then using it to bind his apprentice to him, and probably indulging in some unholy levels of glee at the irony of getting Anakin Skywalker to destroy what he most valued with the very thing he sold him to save her.
The mistake was having that dumbass medical droid speculate. (And the force-choking scene, which was completely unnecessary; just have them both scream at each other, desperate to save the other from their perceived brainwashing, then have Obi-Wan show up and Anakin attack; the thinking Padme betrayed him to Obi-Wan (and the resulting anger) are just lazy storywriting; there’s plenty of anger at Obi-Wan for his perceived manipulation of Padme.)
The real kicker, though?
When Padme, at the end of her life, says “there is still good in him—I know it!” She’s connected to him, through that bond her life-force is flowing into him from. She knows there’s still good in him because she can feel it.
And nobody listens.
Unless … maybe, maybe, Luke does. In Return of the Jedi, Leia says she remembers her mother; Luke, apparently, does not. What if Leia got the memory, the visual memory, clear enough to remember the sadness—but Luke got the message—there is still good in him.
i will not only die on this hill, but further speculate that Anakin was the one who’d lost the will to live, after everything that happened. so Palpatine had to lure him into hell and convince him he wanted to stay there.
if Anakin believes he’s lost his way so much that he would “in his anger” kill his family (a more powerful manipulation if he hadn’t knowingly choked her just before all this, i agree), then he might think death is too good for a being like him. by the end of his life, he’s destroyed his daughter’s adoptive family and cut off his son’s hand, but this time his death is his best gift to them. now they can rebuild on the ashes of all he’s burned.
forwantofwit:
kyraneko:
reyloficked:
chiruttimwes:
ohfuckthisshit:
still can’t believe that someone would write Padme dying from “loosing her will to live” after just having two beautiful babies and meanwhile that burned circus peanut has enough will to survive 100% burning and tripple amputation. only a man could write that bullshit.
NO NO NO THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. GEORGE LUCAS MAY BE DUMB SOMETIMES BUT HES ALSO CLEVER. JUST LISTEN.
What scene is shown simultaneously with Padme giving birth? Anakin being put into the suit. And going by this, Padme dies at practically the same moment Anakin’s transformation is complete. And here’s why that’s significant: Palpatine’s master was said to have been working on (never says if he figured it out) a way to lengthen life/bring someone back. By using the Force, the very thing that flows in everyone. Therefore, it is safe to assume that Palpatine either finished what his master started or just learned the knowledge. Palpatine literally drained Padme’s lifeforce and gave it to Anakin. There is literally no way he would’ve survived otherwise. And there’s definitely no way Padme would’ve just keeled over. No. Palpatine was the reason she died and the reason Anakin didn’t. It also explains why the droids couldn’t find anything wrong with her. They can’t sense the Force.
And in case you need further proof: When Anakin comes to, he immediately and expectantly asks where Padme is because he felt her presence. And Palpatine responds that “it would seem that in your rage, you killed her.” Now why would he say that, when we all know full well that Anakin left her alive and well?? It’s because in a way, Anakin was the reason for her death. This also explains why Palpatine looks so utterly gleeful in this scene. Because he knows that a) he’s got a new puppet of course, but b) he just gave Anakin his final, fatal push to the Dark Side. Had Padme been left alive, Anakin never would’ve truly succumbed to the Dark. And even if they were to lie and say she died, chances are Anakin would’ve felt that she was alive, somehow. No, Padme had to die. And by killing her this way, it kept Anakin alive, and gave Palpatine a legitimate excuse to tell Anakin that he himself was the one who killed her. That alone was the only way Anakin was going to completely relinquish the Light: if he believed that in his attempts to use the Dark to save his wife he had instead killed her, he would believe he was too far gone, that there was nothing left for him but this dark path he had set himself on. (This is further proved by what he says to Luke in VI, and by how simply finding out he had children, something to actually live for, was enough to make him come back to the Light.)
So, in short: No, Padme did not give up the will to live, and no, it wasn’t written that way either. Unfortunately, George Lucas was always a bit too subtle with his cleverness and it often went unnoticed. But it was there, and it’s quite genius.
My damn mind has been blown. Thank you 🤯
Didn’t Palpatine say Plagueis shared the secret with the apprentice and the apprentice killed him? As in, why it’s “the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise” rather than the comedy, epic, or four-season sitcom?
Plagueis knew, Plagueis shared with his apprentice, Plagueis was killed. The apprentice (Sidious!) took what he’d learned and used it, first dangling it as bait, then using it to bind his apprentice to him, and probably indulging in some unholy levels of glee at the irony of getting Anakin Skywalker to destroy what he most valued with the very thing he sold him to save her.
The mistake was having that dumbass medical droid speculate. (And the force-choking scene, which was completely unnecessary; just have them both scream at each other, desperate to save the other from their perceived brainwashing, then have Obi-Wan show up and Anakin attack; the thinking Padme betrayed him to Obi-Wan (and the resulting anger) are just lazy storywriting; there’s plenty of anger at Obi-Wan for his perceived manipulation of Padme.)
The real kicker, though?
When Padme, at the end of her life, says “there is still good in him—I know it!” She’s connected to him, through that bond her life-force is flowing into him from. She knows there’s still good in him because she can feel it.
And nobody listens.
Unless … maybe, maybe, Luke does. In Return of the Jedi, Leia says she remembers her mother; Luke, apparently, does not. What if Leia got the memory, the visual memory, clear enough to remember the sadness—but Luke got the message—there is still good in him.
i will not only die on this hill, but further speculate that Anakin was the one who’d lost the will to live, after everything that happened. so Palpatine had to lure him into hell and convince him he wanted to stay there.
if Anakin believes he’s lost his way so much that he would “in his anger” kill his family (a more powerful manipulation if he hadn’t knowingly choked her just before all this, i agree), then he might think death is too good for a being like him. by the end of his life, he’s destroyed his daughter’s adoptive family and cut off his son’s hand, but this time his death is his best gift to them. now they can rebuild on the ashes of all he’s burned.